Editing Module talk:Message box (section)

==CSS instead of tables==
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{{moved discussion from|Template talk:Ambox#CSS instead of tables|[[User:Sapphaline|Sapphaline]] ([[User talk:Sapphaline|talk]]) 10:25, 20 August 2025 (UTC)}}
Could this thing use <code><nowiki><div style="display:table;"></nowiki></code> and <code><nowiki><div style="display:table-cell;"></nowiki></code> instead of literal tables and table cells (<code><nowiki><table></nowiki></code>, <code><nowiki><td></nowiki></code>)? 

Were the any previous attempts to remake this using <code><nowiki><div></nowiki></code>? If so, what was the consensus? [[User:Sapphaline|Sapphaline]] ([[User talk:Sapphaline|talk]]) 09:46, 20 August 2025 (UTC)

:A long time ago this would have been converted to divs but apparently IE sucked (this should not be news).
:Today, I have [[User:Izno/Sandbox/Ambox]] with what are some skimmings and started a sandbox at [[Module:Message box/div]]. I have just done a very bad job of finishing this work. [[User:Izno|Izno]] ([[User talk:Izno|talk]]) 22:09, 24 August 2025 (UTC)
::Which might be closer to done than not, honestly. I think what it currently needs is to
::# Double check the ambox work
::# Add "soft" support for the other kinds of boxes (where soft is defined as module-supports but config disabled)
::# Merge tested /div version but not CSS into main
::# Enable boxes of each kind one by one.
::#* Leave ambox for penultimate as the most likely to cause some mass noise in a way
::#* Probably somewhere around here do ombox, [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?search=insource%3A%2FMessage%5B%20_%5Dbox%5C%2Fombox%5C.css%2F%20-intitle%3A%2F(%5BSs%5Dandbox%7C%5C%2Fdoc)%2F&title=Special%3ASearch&profile=advanced&fulltext=1&ns10=1&ns828=1 that has some needed coordination]
::#* Leave tmbox for ultimate, there is work to [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?search=insource%3A%2FMessage%5B%20_%5Dbox%5C%2Ftmbox%5C.css%2F%20-intitle%3A%2F(%5BSs%5Dandbox%7C%5C%2Fdoc)%2F&title=Special%3ASearch&profile=advanced&fulltext=1&ns10=1&ns828=1 coordinate]
::# Fix bugs that are identified
::# Move CSS over to better-named stylesheet
::# Delete the /div CSS (I won't be too sad)
::# Remove main support for table versions, possibly rename some things
::[[User:Izno|Izno]] ([[User talk:Izno|talk]]) 22:42, 24 August 2025 (UTC)
::I have now put this plan in a publicly editable place at [[Module:Message box/div/doc]]. [[User:Izno|Izno]][[User:IznoPublic|Public]] ([[User talk:Izno#top|talk]]) 00:26, 26 August 2025 (UTC)
::Hi! I didn't know you were doing this, so I made something similar. It seems to work:
::* Module: [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Module%3AMessage_box%2Fsandbox&diff=1310791170&oldid=1300331049]
::* Styles: [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Module%3AMessage_box%2Fsandbox%2Fambox.css&diff=1310791252&oldid=1305438959]
:: [[User:Iniquity|Iniquity]] ([[User talk:Iniquity|talk]]) 16:57, 11 September 2025 (UTC)
:::Yes, I did it in its own sandbox because it's a longterm enough project not to be done in the main sandbox, which should generally be releasable ad hoc for trivial issues. [[User:Izno|Izno]] ([[User talk:Izno|talk]]) 17:03, 11 September 2025 (UTC)
:::And also, there are enough other dependencies that "just change the two or three places" isn't going to fly. [[User:Izno|Izno]] ([[User talk:Izno|talk]]) 17:06, 11 September 2025 (UTC)
::::Where else do you think this will affect? It seems that only the mobile version is oriented towards <syntaxhighlight inline lang="css">table.ambox</syntaxhighlight>, which can also be corrected by CSS [[User:Iniquity|Iniquity]] ([[User talk:Iniquity|talk]]) 17:09, 11 September 2025 (UTC)
:::::I have already documented in [[Module:Message box/div/doc]] multiple places that will need careful work, ambox among them. Please feel free to peruse and ask questions about what's there and why. [[User:Izno|Izno]] ([[User talk:Izno|talk]]) 17:41, 11 September 2025 (UTC)
::::::Thanks! [[User:Iniquity|Iniquity]] ([[User talk:Iniquity|talk]]) 17:47, 11 September 2025 (UTC)
:What's broken here? I've probably wrong but AFAIK for accessibility the existing role="presentation" should suffice. [[User:Aaron Liu|<span class="skin-invert" style="color:#0645ad">Aaron Liu</span>]] ([[User talk:Aaron Liu#top|talk]]) 23:21, 28 August 2025 (UTC)
::You should always endeavor to use the default aria role element. In this case, that's not a table. Ignoring that, tables are shit for doing other presentation with. [[User:Izno|Izno]] ([[User talk:Izno|talk]]) 03:20, 29 August 2025 (UTC)
:::This /div work is great work, thanks for this <span class="fn nickname" style="color:#CD0000">[[User:Waddie96|waddie96]] ★ ([[User talk:Waddie96|talk]])</span> 19:49, 8 September 2025 (UTC)
:Ok, I think we can do {{tl|cmbox}} now. Based on what I wrote down before, the process of a rollout is:
:# Alert some key pages. Has to include some verbiage like <blockquote>A change is occurring to how {{tl|cmbox}} is implemented to support mobile resolutions better. It may cause some temporary display weirdness. Further information is available at [[Module talk:Message box#cmbox migration]].</blockquote> with some text at the specific section <blockquote><p>A change is planned to occur in how {{tl|cmbox}} is implemented. It should help improve display at mobile resolutions now, and accessibility later. cmbox was chosen because it has lower reader-facing impact than most other message box types and it's fairly self-contained. The change to cmbox will likely pave the way for other message boxes ({{tl|fmbox}} is probably next).</p><p>You can expect some difference in styling from previous for a small period due to the [[WP:Job queue|job queue]], after which it should return to "normal". You should be able to correct it manually if you want with one of the usual steps ([[WP:PURGE|purge]], [[WP:NULL|null edit]], or [[Help:Dummy edit|dummy edit]]). If an issue with display persists, leave a comment here (this scenario may be possible with some unexpected setup cmboxes).</p></blockquote>
:#* Here (here, here is the warning)
:#* [[WP:VPT]]
:#* [[MediaWiki talk:Common.css]]
:#* Maybe [[WT:CAT]] and [[WT:CFD]]
:# Sync [[Module:Message box/sandbox]] to [[Module:Message box]] (first time only)
:# Within quick succession to next step, sync [[Module:Message box/configuration/sandbox]] to [[Module:Message box/configuration]]
:# Within quick succession to previous step, sync [[Module:Message box/div/cmbox.css]] to [[Module:Message box/cmbox.css]]
:[[User:Izno|Izno]] ([[User talk:Izno|talk]]) 17:08, 1 October 2025 (UTC)
:: The /div main and config modules have got some other adjustments that now make it different from what will end up going live, so they shouldn't generally be synced directly. For future me. [[User:Izno|Izno]] ([[User talk:Izno|talk]]) 21:59, 1 October 2025 (UTC)
::Also messages now posted to VPT and Common.css. [[User:Izno|Izno]] ([[User talk:Izno|talk]]) 22:00, 1 October 2025 (UTC)
::cmbox is deployed. [[User:Izno|Izno]] ([[User talk:Izno|talk]]) 20:30, 2 October 2025 (UTC)
:::Ok, cmbox has been basically quiet besides notes from the below. I will now work on fmbox, which should also be relatively low impact. I'm also starting to sketch out imbox which may need to interact with template content from Commons as well as [[:c:MediaWiki:Filepage.css]]. [[User:Izno|Izno]] ([[User talk:Izno|talk]]) 20:44, 7 October 2025 (UTC)
::::Turns out I don't currently have to worry about commons names, which is something I should have noted when I split message box CSS during the TemplateStylization. [[User:Izno|Izno]] ([[User talk:Izno|talk]]) 01:03, 17 October 2025 (UTC)
:::::What does {{tq|split message box CSS during the TemplateStylization}} mean exactly?
:::::Also, what can I help with. <span class="fn nickname" style="color:#CD0000">[[User:Waddie96|waddie96]] ★ ([[User talk:Waddie96|talk]])</span> 03:56, 17 October 2025 (UTC)
::::::All of the CSS for the message boxes was once in [[MediaWiki:Common.css]]. I moved it to TemplateStyles with some effort because of [[MediaWiki talk:Common.css/to do#description|reasons]].
::::::This effort now that I've got my feet under me probably doesn't need much assistance. If you want to spend time on something, working on the problems listed at [[MediaWiki talk:Common.css/to do#Infobox]] would be excellent. If you want to spend some time on stuff, crafting an infobox (using Lua or template) to fix our ''career statistics'' pages would be super helpful. [[User:Izno|Izno]] ([[User talk:Izno|talk]]) 00:27, 19 October 2025 (UTC)
:{{ping|Izno}} any progress?  [[user:sapphaline|<span class="skin-nightmode-reset-color" style="color:#c20;text-decoration:underline">sapphaline</span>]] ([[user talk:sapphaline|<span class="skin-nightmode-reset-color" style="color:#236;text-decoration:underline">talk</span>]]) 13:20, 18 December 2025 (UTC)
::You can see the progress at [[Module:Message box/div/doc]]. [[User:Izno|Izno]] ([[User talk:Izno|talk]]) 18:08, 18 December 2025 (UTC)